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16 November 2009 @ 01:11 pm
Recipe for FAIL #47: rely on software without any people maintaining it  

So, it’s been 3 months since the last commit on GNote, and 1 month since it was officially abandoned. And nobody stepped up to maintain it.

I can certainly understand why Hubert’s motivation declined, GNote being a project to “fight boredom”, and all the innovation happening in tomboy. But if you remember all the fuss around Tomboy and GNote, thanks to Roy Schestowitz and his little minions, this is actually quite a tasty way for things to turn out.

The utmost victory of the anti-Mono zealots was the decision from Fedora to include GNote by default and to drop Mono. Well done. I’m still savoring my pop-corn.

(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 01:18 pm (UTC)
Shut the fuck up! Fucking moron!
(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 02:05 pm (UTC)
Sad story
Such a waste of time and energy. Mono is a great technology, to reject it because of its origin is stupid IMHO

(disclaimer : I am not a MS fanboy, I have the utmost respect for RMS, and I use Debian and refuse to use any nonfree package, like flash for example)
http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/ on November 16th, 2009 02:39 pm (UTC)
Not big on subtlety, are we Joss?
I was trying to think of a way to discuss this topic without being quite so... ehm... abrasive with it. It raises some serious questions not only for Fedora, but RHEL too.

Here's the options as I see them currently open to the folks at Red Hat

1) Continue to use Gnote 0.5.2 ad infinitum in Fedora, and include it in RHEL6
2) Continue to use Gnote 0.5.2 ad infinitum in Fedora, but drop it from RHEL6
3) Pray that someone random takes up maintainership
4) Take over maintainership via paid Red Hat developers
5) Drop Gnote for Tomboy in Fedora, and include it in RHEL6
6) Drop Gnote for Tomboy in Fedora, but exclude it from RHEL6

Rather than crowing over the death of a Free Software project, perhaps it'd be better to think about the repercussions?

Perhaps one of Roy's talented developer pool could take over maintainership, using their vast knowledge of C++?
ext_112319 on November 22nd, 2009 05:51 am (UTC)
Re: Not big on subtlety, are we Joss?
Keeping using it without maintaining it is not really a good idea. I use Gnote, and it works well, but I'm very unhappy with some bugs that I have found. Specifically, undo/redo is horribly broken when taken together with nontrivial formatting, and this may lead to data loss since Gnote has an instant-save model.
ext_214718 on November 16th, 2009 02:40 pm (UTC)
Good of you to post this
So the politicians are all talk and no action, huh? Advocating Linux gets a bit tough when stuff like this happens. I'm glad I don't use Fedora, but I can understand its popularity. It won't stay that way unless they are willing to pitch in and maintain the software that's provided by default.

You're doing a good service to point this out.
(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 03:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Good of you to post this
That's funny considering Fedora is probably the biggest contributor to Free software via Red Hat.

(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Good of you to post this
Incorrect, Ubuntu is the biggest contributor to Free software via Debian.
http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/ on November 16th, 2009 05:03 pm (UTC)
Re: Good of you to post this
It really isn't
(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 05:53 pm (UTC)
Re: Good of you to post this
Ubuntu is the biggest contributor? HA HA HA. You need to get a dose of reality. Mandriva is a bigger contributor than Ubuntu.
(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC)
It's hard not to laugh
Thanks for keeping tomboy in Debian. Good call.
(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
Downgrading tomboy|gnote to Recommend or Suggest ?

Well, there might be one really good reason why the project was abandoned... It's that only very few people are interested in it.
I don't just mean gnote, I mean whole note taking thing. I have had some note taking tool in Evolution and in PDA for years and really, those applications should be named write-down-and-forget.

To put it down in a less personal way, let's have a look at popcon:
 oo.org    | 26.0% |
 evolution | 24.7% |
 gedit     | 17.9% |
 totem     | 10.6% |
 tomboy    |  4.9% |
 brasero   |  4.5% |
 gucharmap |  3.8% |
 gnote     |  0.3% |
"vote" => number of people who use this package regularly;
(as opposed to "inst" => number of people who installed this package)

If you consider that tomboy/gnote are supposed to be used daily, the 4.9% "vote" is a fairly low use rate.

My personal conclusion is that gnome should Recommend: gnote|tomboy.

My impartial interpretation of gnote's very low "vote", is that most people who want to install gnome package, but don't want to use either gnote or tomboy will actually pick gnote.

BTW, Kudos to Josselin. Not just for maintaining my favorite Desktop Environment, but also for his enlightening, refreshing and dogmas-shaking blog posts.

(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on December 3rd, 2009 01:49 am (UTC)
Fail Fail

Get some class and grow up.
cwickert.id.fedoraproject.org on January 9th, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)
Recipe for FAIL #48: Halloo if you're still in the wood
He who laughs last laughs longest. ;)