np237 (np237) wrote,

Regarding Mono in the default install

Robert,

Unlike what you are suggesting, I’m not the one who decides what goes into the default Squeeze installation. There is most likely going to be a small discussion with the debian-installer team, like the one we went through for Lenny and which turned out very constructive. Saying that I “decided that Mono must be part of the default desktop install” is so freakingly untrue that it leaves me somehow speechless.

Of course, the real discussion around including Mono by default is not about Tomboy. If they don’t want of it, the debian-installer team just has to include GNote in the gnome-desktop task to get it by default instead of Tomboy; note that this is possible since I added an or dependency, precisely as you suggested. No, the applications that are going to make a difference are things like GNOME Do and F-Spot. If we want to include these cool applications that have no real alternative (even proprietary), this will include the Mono stack as well. And there are no stripped down C++ versions of those.

Let’s get back to Tomboy. The reason why it is now a dependency of the gnome metapackage is the same reason why upstream GNOME included it in their default desktop release. It is not to bow before Microsoft or Novell, as you and your paranoid friends seem to think; it is because professional-grade note-taking is a vital application to an important share of our users.

Everyone working in a corporate environment, with many projects to manage with several clients, meetings every other day, and random thoughts to write somewhere, needs to manage notes. Some use random pieces of paper scattered on their desk. Some use notebooks. Some use Emacs. Some write formal proceedings for each of their actions. It turns out that none of these methods are comparable to Tomboy in terms of efficiency.

As such, I’m wondering whether you are actually using the software you packaged. Your writings suggest that you don’t need an application such as GNote. Which means that, consistently with your other actions in the project, you only packaged it to push your pointless political agenda, not to do something useful for our users. That also explains why you proved to be so clueless while packaging it.

And I am sorry to inform you that the Project does not give a shit of your political agenda. The reason why Tomboy was not included in the default Lenny installation is not because of stupid software patents. If we gave a shit of inapplicable software patents, we wouldn’t be shipping MP3 decoding software by default. If we gave a shit, we wouldn’t ship Mono in main, regardless of what is in the default installation. We don’t give a shit of where is Mono coming from, as long as it is free software. As Jo explained, we don’t even give a shit of what Mono is, it just happens to be a dependency for Tomboy. No, the reason why Tomboy was not here by default is simply because its dependency stack was too big for some installation media. Now, the Debian Mono team managed to reduce a bit the installation size, and the availability of GNote as an alternative is giving a last-resort choice that will be much smaller.

Oh, and just a side note: I was going to work on the remaining bits of GNOME 2.26 in Debian this week-end. You just convinced me to watch anime on my home cinema instead. With new seasons of Higurashi and Haruhi Suzumiya coming around, this is perfect timing.

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