np237 ([info]np237) wrote,
@ 2008-11-24 13:11:00
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The great return of the broomsticks

While a few developers have the chance to be paid for their job on Debian, most of us are doing it on our spare time, for fun. Yes, we are making the best operating system out there, for fun. Yet a large number of developers are taking this project way too seriously. To say it in other words, they have a carrot up the ass. I happen to prefer the French expression though, since it conveys better the rigidity of their attitude: they have a broomstick up the ass.

Recently, when I launched the idea of the Bug Sprint, someone wrote to me to propose, instead of rewarding people with cookies, to send them money. This is the best example of broomstick behavior: taking the fun out of people by bringing back rampantly the very idea that almost split the project in two the last time it was introduced. The very same person, when faced with a sarcastic email sent to an announcement mailing list, immediately rushed in to send a ban request to list masters (a totally useless one, since I don’t have the habit to make the same joke twice). That person happens to be the project leader. So it seems the only thing the DPL has to do, at a time when we’d rather need people to fix RC bugs, is to protect the project from seditious members who don’t share their love for broomsticks.

When someone makes a bad-taste joke, you are not forced to laugh. But you are not forced to impose your rigid and moralist views either. And on top of that, throwing random accusations of sexism without any kind of justification does not improve the mood. This is even very close to defamation, but since I don’t have a broomstick in the ass myself, I prefer to just laugh at them with the help of some fellow developers.

I will go on shocking these people. And they won’t like it more than in the past. Every time one of them climbs on her high horse to take a pathetic and patronizing stance while totally missing the point, it will bring a bit of fun.

Edited to add (22 dec) : when I said “I will go on shocking these people”, I didn’t mean “I will purposely shock these people”. They shouldn’t expect to obtain enough of my attention for that to happen.

Bonus #1: as for the promised statistics, we are, at the time of writing, at 493 599 unique IPs who clicked on the trap. Quite a good investment for someone who’d want to make money from smelly geeks.

Bonus #2: here is a sexist picture.




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My point of view
(Anonymous)
2008-11-25 11:21 am UTC (link)
I will reply to your article even though I don't find that link funny at all, but as you're quoting me in your text, accusing me of "climbing on my high horse to take a pathetic and patronizing stance while totally missing the point". You're right in one thing: "most of us are doing it on our spare time, for fun". Fun for everybody, not just for you. I'm very pissed off, not exactly because of your childish joke, but because of the "I prefer to just laugh at them with the help of some fellow developers" part. Thanks for laughing AT me. That kind of attitudes somehow define which kind of person is each one.

All of this has totally changed my perception of Debian, I don't feel this as an occasional tantrum. I finally see that Debian is never gonna be an inclusive organization, that "universal" part of the group we always seem to be announcing. I just won't keep fighting anymore to make a better Debian social environment. We lost the battle, you win. I'm seriously annoyed, mostly with myself, for ever believen that a better world was possible, thanks -to you and your fellow developers- to show me that there's no ope. I give up.

I'm not in the mood for writing a longer answer, and in any case I have the feeling that it will go straightforward to /dev/null, so I just won't. I won't be leaving the project or anything of the sort, don't worry. I'm just seeying it with different eyes.

Greetings,
Miry

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Re: My point of view
[info]np237
2008-11-25 11:31 am UTC (link)
The fact that a harmless parody generated such fuss is the proof that I’m not winning anything. The Debian social environment is ignominous, and you are among the people who are making it this way. This may not be your goal, but this is what you are achieving by trying to force your views.

Oh, and sorry to deceive you, but apart from spam, comments on my blog never go to /dev/null. I don’t need a blindfold to accept the world as it is.

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Re: My point of view
(Anonymous)
2008-11-25 11:46 am UTC (link)
Sorry for existing. You are not alone in the world, you know?

Greetings,
Miry

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Re: My point of view
[info]np237
2008-11-25 11:54 am UTC (link)
I warned you it would be pointless to discuss if you didn’t like the picture. Here we are.

If you want to feel like a martyr, I can’t help it, but you are only hurting yourself and you’re not going to make feel me guilty of anything.

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Re: My point of view
(Anonymous)
2008-11-25 12:33 pm UTC (link)
I was not being a victim, I was just being sarcastic.

Miry

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Re: My point of view
[info]doctormo [launchpad.net]
2008-12-17 04:27 am UTC (link)
> Harmless

It could have used a little more taste. I mean sure, being a guy it's hard to see what the fuss is about.

But I don't know, from the evidence I've gathered so far. I'm fairly sure that women are people, probably humans who have had to deal with being demeaned, belittled, told what they ort to be doing, where their place is in the world. The women in Debain probably have had to fight all that very hard.

That sort of worldly treatment would make anyone touchy. We can't all be Ghandi, but part of being considerate, is considering, empathy. It's not about stopping you, it's about not needing to because you don't want to hurt others (even their feelings)

Hey we all put our foot in our mounths, human right? But what makes us better people is when we admit that our words are careless and perhaps based on the wrong cultural values. I've already accepted that "normal" male culture as advertised is wrong, why can't others?

In this issue I can only offer my support for the women that have been offended. And offer my sympathy for the debian project for the damage that's been done.

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